sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidize to pbs. i love pbs, i love big bird, i actually like you too but i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for. >> were you surprised that he went there with jim lehrer hosting the thing? >> i was very surprised. i would say that moment is probably the closest we got to one of romney's awkward, you know, mitt-isms like $10,000 bet or something. it was probably a low moment. it's a little awkward between him and jim lehrer, but the sper action on obama dp the interaction on obamacare was somewhat amusing to hear them talk about that phrase. >> i heard some people say, well, that's what he plans to do and he was willing to say it right there and to stand up to what he stands for. want to go and look at an exchange between the president and jim lehrer very quickly. let's take a look at this. >> now, the last point i'd make before -- >> two minutes is up, sir. >> i think i had had five seconds before you interrupted me. [ laughter ] >> there's that smile.